In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. I only know of two. HWY 3 NW. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. S.J. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. 2.) [CDATA[ If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. Any church fellowship that encourages avoiding another Christian denomination/fellowship, even if they uphold & believe these, b/c they are not of the same denomination are in gross error & a cult. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. The message is set. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. 3:3). Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! . Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Adulterous generally hide their actions. You have it backwards. We should stand out because we are different. We should never be arrogant in the word, instead humble. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. I cannot judge this man. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. 1. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) NOT ONE. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous. The list is endless. Share this: In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). 5) shun folks that have left the church I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Total. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. Im not sure how they upkept thier Synagogue & relate dcostbut if Im not mistaken I learned during a conference that they actually gave more than our equivalent of a tenth in regards to thier goods/wealth (like mince, spices, etc)and perhaps separate monetray covered that cost or these items were bartered/traded to pay bills. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. That will suffice. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. I would agree with this. People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. . I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; 6.) But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. He told me that he attends a independent Baptist Church and stressed the importance of the small ( i ) in the name. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) @bob The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. 77. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. Not all IFB churches are this way. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. Thank you for writing back. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. (P.S. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people @Fran From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. 4. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. Jesus quoted the old testament. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. Tithing is not for God. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). (See also Gal. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. This again cannot be proven from history. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. How can you not see that? In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. Lynne, Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. than we pray that they will get right with God Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! You either comply or you are thrown out. 3.) Under grace we can give as much as we like. PO BOX 292. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. Nope, dont see that. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. . Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. Catholic Influences on the Modern Translations, 66. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. 74. My responsibility is to preach the Word. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! He is much better at it than we are. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. 601 1ST AVE SE . Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Is this really what youre doing here? Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Introducing the Abusive Randy Ireland, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) De. An interesting read. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. May God bless Bob. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. BEREAN BAPTIST CHURCH. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. Just some thoughts. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices.
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